Tuesday, October 24, 2006

Crosman's new C11 BB pistol

by B.B. Pelletier


The new Crosman C11 BB pistol is a powerful new air pistol with exciting looks!


I was at Crosman recently and had a chance to test the new C11 BB pistol. This review is for a reader who learned about the gun before the rest of us and asked to see it a month ago.

A LOT of confusion!
There are two Crosman pistols that have the model designation C11. The first is a 6mm airsoft pistol (Crosman's term is "soft air") that uses CO2 to power the plastic ball. Now, most of you know that Asians call 6mm balls BBs, so this gun is called a BB gun. But, it doesn't shoot real steel BBs. When Crosman came out with a real CO2 BB gun this month, also called the C11, confusion began! The customer reps at Pyramyd are getting phone calls from customers who are mixing up the specifications of the two different pistols.


The airsoft C11 looks a lot like the BB gun except for the orange muzzle tip.


Here are the differences
The airsoft model has the federal-mandated orange muzzle. According to Pyramyd's site, its muzzle velocity is 350 f.p.s. And its full model name is the Air Magnum C11. The CO2-powered BB gun (the one that shoots real steel BBs) is all black, has a muzzle velocity of 480 f.p.s. and is called just the C11. As far as I know, neither pistol copies any firearm exactly. Except for the orange muzzle on the airsoft pistol, these guns look remarkably alike.

The BB pistol
The C11 BB pistol is very powerful. With a muzzle velocity of 480 f.p.s., it really pumps out the steel! Although my test was less formal than usual, if memory serves, I got about three magazines from one powerlet. Since each mag holds 15 BBs, that's about 45 powerful shots.

The pistol feels very smooth and ergonomic in my hand. The grip is substantial but not overly large. I shot it only double-action, and I can't remember if it also shoots single-action. Double-action shooting is more difficult, of course, and I found I was pulling all my shots to the left. Once that became apparent from an enlarging hole to the left of the bullseye, I was able to compensate and do better. My impression is that the sights were right on for targets at 25-33 feet.

Get more magazines!
One nice thing about Crosman's shooting range is that there are boxes of loaded magazines, powerlets and AirSource cylinders behind the line, so I didn't have to do any work to reload. But, you'll want to have at least two spare mags loaded up because this pistol shoots fast! You keep on pulling the trigger and hitting targets. Before you know it, you've shot all 15 BBs.

Easily replaced powerlet
The grips slide back to gain access to the CO2 powerlet. You will note that no hint of the powerlet mechanism appears on the outside of the pistol. Crosman knows that buyers dislike any external cues to how a pistol is powered, and they've taken measures to conceal it in all their new pistols.

Remember safety!
This gun shoots steel BBs that can ricochet with force, so don't shoot at hard targets and always wear safety glasses when you shoot. Several years ago, I was shooting an Anics pistol of similar power when my lip was split by a BB that rebounded 33 feet from a steel trap. Crosman's model 850 BB trap is a great one for stopping BBs!

The biggest selling point is the price, of course. For what you get...power, accuracy and good balance...the C11 is quite inexpensive.

159 Comments:

At October 24, 2006 7:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I,m responding to the customization queston. Like where to find custom stocks, Open up valves, and other things to enhance looks and preformance.

 
At October 24, 2006 7:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also new sights and home-made accisioiers

 
At October 24, 2006 12:33 PM, Blogger dm20 said...

regarding the link to real steel bbs, how come the crosman bbs are finished so roughly? i compared them to the daisy precision max bbs, and they dont look anything alike. its like someone took a handful of them, and rolled them between two concrete blocks. and they have that flat spot that daisy fixed... old machinery?

 
At October 24, 2006 3:14 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Crosman BBs,

I didn't know they were finished rough. I'll look into it.

B.B.

 
At October 24, 2006 7:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also for the Custom stuff, where to get custom parts

 
At October 24, 2006 8:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has there ever been a boat tail style pellet in .177? Wouldn't be fast in accurate in super sonic rifles. If not, don't steal my idea!
thanks
-HB

 
At October 24, 2006 10:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

DM20,

The rough surface may not be the hinderance you think it is, and I have noticed that too. Ever looked at a golf ball? If smooth was better, they would have changed to that a while back. If really rough was the best, they would be hitting tennis balls on the sly. The minute pits shed air adheision to the surface, but maybe not enough to affect anything in all practicality with a bb. This could decrease speed loss after the muzzle, and maybe give some max distance covered, but is not likely to do much to accuracy or increase range any apreciable amount. I consider it irrelevant unless there is a major (maybe .025") pit. And if I really wanted precision I'd use a lead round anyhoo.

That's my two cents. Rock on B.B.!
357.

 
At October 25, 2006 6:45 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

boat tail,

What you are REALLY asking is whether shooters have ever shot boattailed BULLETS in air rifles, and the answer is yes. When you drive a boattail bullet to 2,000 f.p.s., it is perfectly accurate and stable.

It's also pretty far from an airgun, isn't it? The airgun that does this costs about $8,000 U.S. and takes a long time to receive after ordering. I can get the same performance/safety from a .17HM2 rifle for about $400 with no wait.

B.B.

 
At October 25, 2006 1:03 PM, Blogger dm20 said...

i've never thought of it that way. but in a dedicated bb barrel, i would expect those imperfections to be negative to accuracy. those presision ground bbs daisy makes for their target bb rifle, for example, are perfectly smooth. i had a chance to toy with them a few weeks ago. i dont think its worth the trouble to buy the "special" bbs. the ordinary daisy ones seem just as smooth. its just the crosman ones i dont like, and i suspect their machines. that lowers my confidence in their products.

 
At October 25, 2006 10:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dm20,

Accuracy would be a concern of mine as well with Crosman BB rounds if I considered BB's to be anything beyond a plinking round, so I have never tested them beyond about 15 yards against the Daisy BB's. Since I was only going for Pop Can accuracy at the time, I cannot get specific's down, but I can say that there was no appreciable difference between them I noticed at about 40'. BTW, this was in a Pumpmaster 760 with a rifled barel (tells you how old mine is), a Drozd, a PPK, and yes a Red Ryder. I think the Daisy rounds did only marginally better in the Red Ryder, I care not to think why at this time. I have better things to think about, as I'm sure you do.
Good luck, and good night.

.357

 
At October 25, 2006 10:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I also told the Drozd owner it was a bad idea to run steel down his pipe after the third mag. If I had known that they even fit, I would have asked first.

Some peoples kids...

.357

 
At October 27, 2006 4:06 PM, Anonymous Jake Peterson said...

Hello -

I have been looking at an Airsoft CO2 powered pistol (low cost) and came across this AirMag C11 at a local sporting goods store. All the reviews I can read are positive and I am probably going to purchase one. My only question is that I cannot find extra magazines (clips) anywhere?! I want to be able to have at least two full clips ready to go (i can imagine that I will be less stingy with my ammo with the semi-auto feature).

I was wondering if you know of a place where I can purchase extra magazines for the AirMag (airsoft) version of this fine Crossman pistol.

Thanks so much!

Jake Peterson

 
At October 27, 2006 4:18 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jake,

This is a new gun and Crosman probably hasn't gotten the extra magazines into the retail store yet. I'd give it another month, because they are still putting out new models for Christmas.

B.B.

 
At October 27, 2006 4:31 PM, Anonymous Jake said...

thanks for the quick reply. I have some a group of friends and we are looking to start up some skirmishes with airsoft and more of the guys are spring powered (this is for novices) however, if my main gun is a spring powered shotgun I would love to have something semi-auto as a sidearm to get me out of a pickle! :-) I will keep my eyes open for extra mags... as I mentioned... if I can just keep pulling the trigger... I probably will! Thanks

Jake

p.s. thanks for your reviw and your blog. very helpful! If you do happen to see anything for this gun it would be great if you could post a link! Thanks again! God Bless!

 
At November 05, 2006 10:55 PM, Anonymous John@belleville, WI said...

hi guys!! I just got my C11 steel BB pistol today and is awesome! it went through 2 soda cans @ about 20feets. I love the power. I got mine @wholesalehunter.com for $31.00. they have the cheapest $$

 
At November 13, 2006 11:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the C11 pistol have single action capability, or not? If so, how is the mechanism cocked for single action? Same question about the T4 - single action or not?

Thx

 
At November 14, 2006 11:01 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Both the C11 and T4 pistols are double action only. There is no way to cock the hammer on either pistol. That comes straight from the Crosman Product Manager.

B.B.

 
At November 22, 2006 6:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

my 1088 smashes beer bottles from 40 ft away and it shoots 430fps.
anyway my question is since the c11 is 50 fps faster do you think it could take care of pests such as squirles ect?...

 
At November 23, 2006 8:04 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I would never recommend a BB gun for hunting - not even one shooting 1,000 f.p.s. A steel BB does not deform in tissue, so the energy transfer is low. At the small caliber we are talking about, a BB gun is an accupuncture gun.

B.B.

 
At December 08, 2006 12:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

Can you explain to me the thinking behind the mandated orange tip on toy and AirSoft guns? I guess theoretically it might keep officials from shooting your kid in certain situations, but then again I've heard of criminals painting the barrels of real guns that same orange color. It just seems like a useless idea. The orange ring fell off a friend's UHC 1911 springer shortly after he got it (apparently this is common to this gun) and he has a nagging feeling that he's headed for jail every time he shoots it, even though it never leaves his garage target range!

-Joe

 
At December 08, 2006 5:51 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Joe,

The orange tip is legislation. It doesn't have to make sense.

Your friend it right to be concerned. That alterationis illegal.

B.B.

 
At December 22, 2006 5:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So I can not use a pellet instead of the BB? (Beginner)

 
At December 23, 2006 5:25 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Beginner,

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are asking. Why can you not use a pellet instead of a BB?

Can you please ask your question again?

B.B.

 
At December 23, 2006 10:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was my question. Some models say BB/Pellet air guns. Some say "BB gun" so my question was "can I use a pellet instead of a BB? 0.177 Pellets"
Thank You,
Beginner

 
At December 23, 2006 12:55 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Beginner,

If you are referring to this particular model, the Crosman C11 BB pistol, then, no, it doesn't also take pellets.

The reason I'm confused is there are over 400 postings on this blog, and sometimes the comments do not refer to the gun being discussed in the posting.

B.B.

 
At December 24, 2006 11:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would you recommend 1-2 pistols that use pellets instead of BBs ? less than $100?
Beginner

 
At December 25, 2006 7:12 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Beginner,

The Marksman 2004 is a great one. So is the Crosman 1377C. Get the Marksman for accuracy; the Crosman for power.

B.B.

 
At January 12, 2007 8:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i just my crossman airmag c11 today. i had fun but i can really use a cople of extra magazines. do you know anywhere on the web like or purchase a couple.

 
At January 24, 2007 11:16 PM, Blogger recce said...

finally got my c11 after 8months of constant phoning...so far,so good but the copperhead bbs are not smooth,some pitted and dented here and there...if we are not allowed to re-use bbs because of the above imperfections,then why bother using the new ones with the same imperfections!!
One more thing,can i leave a half used powerlet in the c11 for a fewe days.I don't wanna spoil my seal as some people advise against it....hmmmm...

 
At January 25, 2007 6:10 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

recce,

If you read this blog you know that a drop of Crosman Pellgunoil is recommended for the tip of each new powerlet you install. My C11 has been holding for a month, already, and I have no plans to let the gas out. Same for all my CO2 guns, some of which have held for 8 continuous years.

B.B.

 
At January 25, 2007 12:03 PM, Blogger booster said...

does this shoot lead balls as well

 
At January 25, 2007 12:17 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

No, this one is a BB shooter only.

B.B.

 
At January 25, 2007 1:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

darn that blows. i figured 480 fps would be able to crack a glass bottle (i do admit the glass was pretty thick, but nonetheless i figured this gun would be able to crack it). i figured the difference in caliber wouldn't work in this gun so lead balls wouldn't fit, but i now need to find out another gun that will break glass. im assuming lead will do the job. maybe the crosman 1377c, except i found out that the attachable stock is discontinued. if you know of any place where i can purhcase a stock for this gun, that would be great. and 1 last thing, daisy, makes a gun modeled along the lines of a beretta 92fs. that shoots lead pellets at 425 fps - u think that can break glass. the worst thing was when i found out the c11 didn't break my target i had to stop shooting b/c the bb's were richocheting with a force. i might have to find a new target!

 
At January 25, 2007 2:36 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

I will leave your comment up, however we do not shoot at glass! You learned one reason - ricochets! Glass ruins the environment, so shooters have stopped shooting it altogether, even in dumps, unless the landfill owner permits it.

But with a BB gun, glass is always a no-no!

B.B.

 
At February 05, 2007 10:26 PM, Blogger recce said...

Thanks to B.B. Pelletier.I have tried out the c11 and so far,so good.But i have yet to find Gamo BBs in Toronto,Canada.LeBaron, C.Tire and Walmart do not sell it and i am forced to use the Copperheads.Regarding the Penngunoil,i always apply a thin film to every Powerlet i use to keep the seal soft and leakfree hopefully.Crosman discourages me from leaving the powerlet more than 1 day but after reading this forum,i feel safer now.Thanks to all that replied and happy shooting.

 
At March 07, 2007 3:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read earlier in the forum that you guys thought extra mags would probably come out later, but its been (6 months?!) since they've come out with it and I still can't find extra mags for it online. Any Suggestions?

 
At March 08, 2007 6:48 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The Crosman C11 came out in November. This will be five months at the end of the month.

Be patient.

B.B.

 
At March 13, 2007 5:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am seriously thhinking about buying a c11. but before i do i would like to know what type of accessory rail it had. will my dovetail laser fit on it or do i need to buy another laser? thanks.

 
At March 14, 2007 8:45 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The accessory rail is Picatinny.

B.B.

 
At March 21, 2007 6:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

is a c11 a fun gun for outdoor...fun?lol cuz im looking for something powerful, accurate cool-looking and..fun. Oh and what does the clip look like :
-a colt-like clip that goes out of the grip
-a revolverclip
-a reservoir thing....
plz answer me,
URDUDE.

 
At March 22, 2007 9:27 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

URDUDE,

Thje C11 has a stick magazine that fits in the base of the grip like the magazine on a Colt 1911.

As for the fun factor and coolness quotient, that's up to you.

B.B.

 
At March 28, 2007 9:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this gun loud because im looking for a loud powerful bb gun.........is this the one im looking for and if not any suggestions....... pirce range $1.00 to $50.00

Eimer

 
At April 13, 2007 9:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i bought this gun for $50 and i thought it would be a waste but it is a really good gun the only bad thing is the clip only holds 15 rounds so its not good for sustained firepowerbut im a pro so not a problem and it doesnt come with the co2 cartriges dont buy any other co2 cartriges other than the one listed in the manual or it will break good thing i bought the warranty
Sincerley Misfit

 
At April 19, 2007 1:23 AM, Blogger recce said...

How did you get the extended warranty?As far as i know,none was offered by LeBaron,Ontario,Canada?
And they seem to be the only retailers for that.What does it cover and the cost?

 
At April 23, 2007 3:28 AM, Blogger recce said...

One more thing,i have seen a new item and am interested in it.Before i buy,i rather do some research.It is the Beretta Elite II from LeBaron.They don't have it in stock and may take up to 9 months like the C11.So,did anybody get one and perhaps share their experience on it.Thanks!

 
At April 23, 2007 3:48 AM, Blogger recce said...

>>B.B. Pelletier ...i read your comment on pellets.I would like to add that the quality of Crosman BBs have much to be desired as the recent batch from LeBaron has more than 50% nicked,tarnished and pitted.I have informed Crosman Head Office and their authorised dealer in Peterboro,Ont,Canada but they say that's the way it is.It seems that quality control has gone down.Sorry for not being able to contact you directly as the comment button is not working and i see you have been having problems with a specific group of people.Take care and keep up the good work.!

 
At April 23, 2007 7:50 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

recce,

If you haven't seen these posts, you might enjoy them.

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/10/who-makes-best-bbs.html

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2006/10/testing-bbs-for-accuracy.html

B.B.

 
At May 03, 2007 8:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i recently recieved my c11 and i have to say i love it. however, today i was sooting and after a few shots, the gun would no longer load a new bb. i had to remove the magazine and reload it for the gun to work again. this continued to happen now and again. is this common or a malfunction with my gun? i had been firing some quick shots, could it just be the co2 cooling thing down? thanks for the help.

E.M.

 
At May 04, 2007 7:39 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

E.M.,

This is probably not caused by CO2. I think it's a magazine problem. Firearms do the same thing, sometimes.

Count the number of shots before the first stoppage and see if it happens in the same place every time.

The solution is a new mag.

B.B.

 
At May 04, 2007 11:39 AM, Blogger recce said...

Where did you buy the c11?It would be interesting if they would accept it within 7 days of purchase or whether you need to send it for repair/refund/ exchange?I got mine from LeBaron and they won't do repairs and all purchases are final,meaning no refunds,exchanges,etc.Yea,customers like us don't have much rights.

 
At May 19, 2007 12:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

bb,
can you suggest any high powered, multishot, c02 pistols, with god accuracy. i already have the c11 and love it, but would like a pistol with a little more accuracy.

-K. Lara

 
At May 19, 2007 2:44 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

-K. Lara,

Try the Desert Eagle pellet pistol (not the BB pistol). It's powerful and accurate.

B.B.

 
At May 21, 2007 9:16 PM, Anonymous blake said...

I just ordered this gun and was wondering, how accurate is it? Is It more accurate than most spring airsoft pistols, cuz thats the only thing I can really compare it to.. And also, would you say it is powerfull enough to kill a small bird or rat?

 
At May 22, 2007 8:24 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Blake,

I would say that a C11 BB gun is about as accurate as a low-priced spring piston airsoft pistol with non-adjustable Hop Up. he more expensive gas guns will out-shoot it.

The C11 should not be used on any animal above the size of a mouse.

B.B.

 
At May 26, 2007 3:32 AM, Anonymous Grey Fox said...

ha.
thats what I used the
Air Mag c11 for....
shooting rats!

I love my airsoft gun...
thats right... airsoft.
its pretty accurate!

even with just the plastic pellets im able to shoot a rat off my tree and have him die of shock.
>:D

oh! I had that same problem with the jamming BB's ... but I noticed if I shot the first round as soon as i put the clip in... the remaining bbs came out with ease.

maybe thats just me.
oh and im
a dumbass and I did something stupid to my clip today...
that's how I stumbled on to this.
I need an extra clip.
...well that kinda implies that
I have a functioning one.. doesn't it?

oh and im gonna buy the bb gun of the c11...
its freakin dope!
thanks guys
I kinda felt like I was the only one worried about clips.

-The Fox

 
At May 27, 2007 1:39 AM, Anonymous blake said...

I found out that if you put in one more bb in the clip than you're supposed to, which is 19, then it won't load the bb, so you will be shooting gas. That was the only problem I had with the bbs "jamming".

 
At May 30, 2007 1:14 AM, Anonymous Blake said...

I am thinking about getting a laser for this gun to attatch underneath the barrel but I have a couple questions. Is the gun accurate enough for it to even be worth having a laser? And will any laser fit the accessory rail? Thanks.

 
At May 30, 2007 10:40 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You need to find a laser that has Weaver or Picatinney mount. The Leapers laser shown with the C11 here at Pyramyd looks pretty good.

B.B.

 
At May 30, 2007 5:20 PM, Anonymous Blake said...

So Weaver and picatinney are the same thing?
And I couldn't seem to find the specific laser your talking about...

Another question, would lasers even work in the daytime, outdoors?

 
At May 31, 2007 7:22 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Blake,

Weaver and Picatinney are different, but they will interchange in certain ways. Read the blog about them:

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/02/what-is-weaver-mount.html

The type of lasers you can buy for less than $100 are not visible very far in bright daylight. Perhaps 15-20 yards is all. Green lasers used by law enforcement are more powerful and much more visible in daylight, but they cost $300 and up.

To see the laser I refer to, go to the C11 description and click on accessories under the product.

B.B.

 
At June 06, 2007 2:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am interested in the crosman c11 BB gun, how strong is the trigger pull ?

example:
Daisy Powerline 15XT
Trigger Pull (lbs)/Adjustable: 7.8 two stage, no

 
At June 06, 2007 4:11 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't have the gun here to measure, but as I recall, the double-action pull was on the order of 8-10 lbs.

B.B.

 
At June 14, 2007 11:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was wondering if I could use .177 roundball pellets with this c11 gun, or any other bb pistol. And If I can use them, would you recommend them more than crosman/daisy bbs? The only difference I see between the roundball pellets and bbs is that the pellets are lead, right? Would this be better for penetration/hunting, and decrease the chance of ricochet?
Thanks.

 
At June 15, 2007 4:50 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

No, lead balls cannot be used in the C11 or in other purely BB guns. Unless the gun is also a .177 pellet shooter, the bore is too small to fit the .177 lead ball.

B.B.

 
At June 16, 2007 4:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

can regular gun oil be used on the powerlets in replace of pellgunoil. i only have regular gun oil and i want to keep my co2 in the gun for at least a week or so without having to take it out. thus, i know pellgunoil should be used but will gun oil do the same?
thanks.

 
At June 16, 2007 5:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you sure .177 lead balls won't fit? Because I can put other .177 pellets down the bore of my c11 and it seems like it fits perfectly... And because of the round shape of the lead balls, I would also think that I would be able to load them in the magazine too.
Maybe you accidentally used .22 balls and thought they were .177 when you thought they were too small to fit the bore?

 
At June 17, 2007 12:27 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

No, I cannot recommend regular gun oil. There's no way to know what may be in it that might attack the seals.

B.B.

 
At June 17, 2007 12:42 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Balls,

One way to find out. Of course, it avoids the warranty if you stick one.

B.B.

 
At June 17, 2007 4:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

that is not good news for me since i've used regular gun oil on my last two powerlets. sh*$! i better stop before my gun is soiled. thanks for the quick reply before i completely ruined my airgun

 
At June 17, 2007 11:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B. pelletier,
I read one of your blogs that says b.b.s are not actually 4.5mm but 4.3mm, but are the b.b. guns themselves 4.5mm, like this crosman c11? Because I notice the b.b.s are smaller than the bore.

 
At June 18, 2007 12:57 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

BBs are 0.171-0.173" and BB gun bore are 0.175".

B.B.

 
At June 18, 2007 7:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the C11 airmag shoots 6mm airsoft pellets right? in my thought process this means it could shoot the 6mm paintballs too, right? i want to be able to change over and shoot paint every now and then. if this is not a gun that could do that, what would be a good recommendation?
-J

 
At June 18, 2007 8:37 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

J,

You know, I honestly don't know how to answer you. The C11 airsoft should be able to shoot 6mm paint, but the quality of ammo varies so much that I think you have to test one for yourself.

I've had good luck with ICS AEGs shooting paint, but I also have heard horror stories about stuck balls.

B.B.

 
At June 24, 2007 2:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey i got the airsoft version and i was wondering if any of you know where i could find extra mags?

 
At June 25, 2007 7:55 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Extra mags are available at Pyramyd Air

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=1202

www.pyramydair.com

B.B.

 
At June 25, 2007 11:19 AM, Anonymous Jay said...

Finally extra clips. They are pretty expensive though, I bought the gun for $40 and the clips are $11 each without shipping...I think I'll wait a little longer and see if the price goes down.

 
At June 28, 2007 5:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two things.....

first to jay, crosman sells c11 replacement/extra clips in a 2 pack for $9.95 (2@$9.95) plus s&h

second to bb, can you do a review on the daisy powerline 008. i bought the C11 and love it, but i had been debating between the two. i would like to know if it should be another gun for my collection.

~Kyle

 
At June 28, 2007 5:55 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Kyle,

I'll see what I can do.

B.B.,

 
At July 06, 2007 7:59 PM, Anonymous mykell said...

Hey,I baught this gun today and I want to know if I can use the copperhead powerlet bottles for it,emailme asikel96@hotmail.com

 
At July 06, 2007 8:53 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The C11 uses 12-gram powerlets. They can be made by any company, as long as they are 12-gram cartridges.

B.B.

 
At July 11, 2007 8:06 PM, Anonymous Nick said...

Hey I ordered the Crosman Air Magnum C11 (airsoft one) from this site, I was just curious of what do to with the Co2 powerlets when i stop using the gun for a period of time.. Like for instance when i get the gun in the mail i might only shoot through about 2-3 mags (30-45 shots)just to get a feel for it.. Is the rest of the gas in the Co2 powerlet a waste now? Or can you keep it in the gun without the gas corrupting the gun and/or losing the gas?

 
At July 12, 2007 6:53 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Nick,

Leave them in the gun. I have guns charged for years.

B.B.

 
At July 12, 2007 10:44 PM, Anonymous Nick said...

Ah alright thanks.. 1 last thing about the Air Mag C11: how does it puncture the Co2 cartridge if it goes in the grip?? I saw a gun where the cartridge goes in the magazine and then you twist on a metal piece that pushes the cartridge up making the gun puncture it and release the Co2.. Is it easy to put in the Co2 cartridges with this gun without having to worry about the gun not puncturing the cartridge?

Thanks if you can answer that..

 
At July 13, 2007 5:55 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You got it right. A screw cam forces the cartridge into the piercing tube, which penetrates the cartridge easily. There should be no worry about puncturing the cartridge. Any adult should find it very easy.

B.B.

 
At July 14, 2007 2:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the Crosman Air Mag C11 (airsoft version) take pellgunoil? I read above in the blog that the Crosman C11 takes it but I just want to be sure that the Air Mag also takes it.

 
At July 14, 2007 5:50 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The pellgunoil is not for a type of gun - it is for all CO2 applications. Yes, it will work on the airsoft version, too.

B.B.

 
At July 17, 2007 11:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

one other thing on the pellgunoil, where should i put it and when should i? I heard put it on the tip of each Co2 cartridge and i've also heard just a drop once every 3-4 cartridges in the part where the Co2 cartridge is puncture open.. what would you recommend and how often should i use it? (Still talking about the Air Mag C11)

thanks.

 
At July 17, 2007 12:26 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

On the tip of each new CO2 cartridge. You cannot overoil a gun with this stuff.

Yes, you have the correct place.

B.B.

 
At August 05, 2007 1:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love that you have all these reviews on air pistols. I've been looking all over for some, since I'll be 18 soon ;-)

Anyway, I REALLY love the look of the T4 (glock-looking) and the fact that it will shoot BBs/pellets.

Any chance you'll be reviewing it soon or have any opinions on it allready? I read somewhere online from someone that you must change out the powerlet after every magazine (8 shots). That seems a bit silly and doesn't seem like something Crosman would do, but you never know...

Thanks.

 
At August 05, 2007 9:18 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't know whether I will do the T4 pistol or not, but it isn't necessary to remove the CO2 cvartridge from it. Just oil the tip of the cartridge with Pellgunoil when you install it.

B.B.

 
At August 06, 2007 12:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the quick reply.
I'm used to playing paintball so I know what FPS looks like, and how much a 30fps difference can make. In paintball, most fields carry a limit around 280fps.

Something I've really been looking into when considering which BB pistol I would like to get (must be a BB pistol) is the FPS.

It seems like with BBs, from what I've read, their power doesn't much affect their accuracy until you start talking farther distance. Am I correct to assume this to a point?

I like the looks of the Pro-77, and the blowback feature, but it seemed like you had your share of mishaps in your review.

The C11 is much cheaper, and more powerful, but I really don't like the looks very much.

And I LOVE the look of the T4, but I haven't heard much about it.

The most distance I'll be shooting will probably be between 10 and 80 ft. Do you think between the Pro-77's 350ish FPS rating and the C-11's 480ish FPS rating, that this change will really matter much for this 10-80ft average shooting range?

If you made it all the way here to the bottom, thanks. :)

 
At August 06, 2007 1:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to post 2 in a row, but I just thought I'd ask if you happen to know about how many shots one cartridge of CO2 will get you in the T4?

I left a message with Crosman, but I figure I might get a faster response from you. Maybe I'll try talking to pyramydair, also.

 
At August 06, 2007 6:40 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

You'll get around 60 shots per powerlet with the T4. At 80 feet you should be able to hit a 4-foot square target. At 10 feet you should be able to keep the BBs in a 2-inch circle.

I don't think there will be much difference is accuracy between the C11 and T4 in your range of distances.

B.B.

 
At August 06, 2007 1:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Allright, I think I'm going to go with the T4 then. The rifled barrel and the pellet/bb capability is whats gonna pull me over to that side. 60 shots seems pretty average so I'm ok with that - CO2 is cheap. I also like the idea of how the CO2 is inserted into the gun.

The C11 is relativly cheap compared to other BB guns anyway, so thats always a fallback option.

I think I would have gone with the Pro77, since its mostly metal and has the blowback, but those aren't sold in stores around here that I can find.

The 1088 is sold in stores, but I've heard its very toyish/plastic feeling.

 
At August 10, 2007 11:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not wanting to say you're wrong, just adding something onto that, I was told in an e-mail from Crosman that the T4 would put out about 35-40 shots per CO2 cartridge.

I wonder why the T4 ended up like that? It has less spec. power than the 1088, still no blowback, but it gets alot less shots per 12g.
?
Maybe Crosman uses a low average temperature when speculating on how many shots can be had.

 
At August 10, 2007 11:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scratch that, I should have been talking about the C11.

Still, the 1088 has about the same power but more shots.

 
At August 11, 2007 7:49 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

CO2 is the same regardless of the gun it powers. The number of shows you get per cartriodge is a function of features like blowback, power and barrel length.

That is sometimes incorrect for guns like the Anics series that have wide open valves, but for Daisys and Crosman gun you can pretty much count on it.

B.B.

 
At August 11, 2007 9:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think theres any way to modify a Daisy 15xt so that the tightening nob for the CO2 isn't showing? or maybe just cut the nob smaller so its less noticeable?

Thats one thing I love about Crosman, they make it so you can't tell whats powering the gun.

 
At August 12, 2007 8:03 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

No doubt the screw can be moidified. But it takes a clever mechanic to do it. At the low price of the gun, there won't be any airgunsmiths willing to do it.

B.B.

 
At August 12, 2007 9:17 AM, Blogger mmlowe said...

I'm comparing a couple of guns to the C11. One being the Daisy 15XT, another the Crosman 008. Have you reviewed either of these two?

Thanks!

 
At August 12, 2007 9:53 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

mmlowe,

Do you mean the Daisy 008?

Because that report comes up tomorrow.

B.B.

 
At August 24, 2007 8:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The crosman C11 is loosely based on the Beretta 9000:
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg43-e.htm

 
At October 13, 2007 9:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

on the top of my magazine there seems to be a little notch which is loose. consequently, the magazine does not feed properly and every other shot is a jam, literally. it is almost impossible to fire the guns which is annoying since the gun is fine and mags are expensive. is there anyway to fix the magazine. i dont want to throw away 15 bucks on magazines id rather put 15 dollars towards a new gun sometime in the future.

 
At October 14, 2007 9:32 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

I don't have a C11 magazine to examine, so I'll have to take your word that the notch you describe is not supposed to be loose. If that is the case, and If you want to experiment with it, it will only cost you $15 to find out you're wrong.

That's a cheap lesson.

B.B.

 
At October 14, 2007 1:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

where is there a crosman range. i assume somewhere around nyc since you say you live in midtown. i live in the suburbs and i would like to know where the crosman range is so i can shoot my air guns without worrying about neighbors calling the cops

 
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