Crosman Nightstalker
by B.B. Pelletier
There is already an article about the Crosman Nightstalker by Tom Gaylord on the Pyramyd Air website. I just wanted to add my two cents and share some observations that are a little different.
A real semiauto with a twist
Yesterday, I reported on Crosman's 451 military pistol. That gun is a true semiauto air pistol in every respect of the term. The new Nightstalker is also a semiauto, but one with a strange twist. I spoke to Ed Schultz, Crosman's production manager, about why the trigger of the Nightstalker is as heavy as it is. It breaks at around seven pounds, where the vintage Crosman 600 and 451 pistols both break at less than two. Why the big difference? He told me that Crosman engineers made the Nightstalker auto-cocking, but left the advancement of the 12-shot clip manual for greater reliability. In other words, your trigger finger has to rotate the clip to the next pellet before it releases the sear, which is where the extra pull weight comes from.
This is similar to but not the same as Crosman's 1077 rifle, which is a true double-action only revolver masquerading as a semiauto. The 1077's trigger not only advances the clip (the same one the Nightstalker uses), it also cocks the hammer before releasing it for the shot. I do know that the triggers on all the 1077s I've seen became lighter with use. I have one that is very smooth and light, because it's probably been shot more than 10,000 times. My newer 1077 is stiffer, but still breaks about the same as a new Nightstalker. I have hope that both guns will lighten with use.
Schultz also told me that Crosman located the cocking handle on the left side of what they call the exoskeleton, so shooters would have some sense of the semiauto feature. I found that I had to back up and focus on the handle to see any hint of motion - it works that fast. That's when it hit me! Crosman left the indexing to the trigger so the Nightstalker cannot be turned into a full-auto machine gun, like the 600 pistol often is!
No need to seat pellets deeply
Crosman has examined the rifle Tom Gaylord tested and determined it had an indexing problem, which is why the pellets had to be seated so deeply. My rifle works fine with the pellets seated to the normal depth, and there has never been a tie-up like Gaylord experienced. His gun was apparently not aligning all the chambers correctly, and some of the gas was deflecting off the breech and pushing the pellets out the back of the clip.

When you load up the Nightstalker with everything in the kit, it looks wicked! There's a very accurate rifle inside all that stuff, too!
Nightstalker kit
My Nightstalker is the kit model with all the accessories. Normally, I'm not an accessory kind of guy, but Crosman has put together a very nice package with this kit. The bipod works very well, so I used it for all my accuracy testing. That's the ultimate test of a bipod. The red dot sight works very well and was also used in accuracy testing. And, the tactical flashlight is just plain cool! It has no useful purpose mounted on a pellet rifle, but it is as bright as daylight and quite impressive! I'm using it off the rifle as the most powerful flashlight I currently own (which is a compliment of sorts, because I seem to collect flashlights!).
Accuracy is super!
My rifle out-performed the one in Gaylord's test by a wide margin. In fact, it was so much better that I asked Ed Schultz about it. He said the Nightstalkers typically give groups ranging from the size Gaylord got down to what I got. My five-shot groups with 7.9-grain Crosman Premiers measured under 0.30" at 20 yards. I shot many that size, so this wasn't just a fluke.
How many shots per cartridge?
I know this number is important to a few people, but frankly those are the same people who never buy the gun! They just want to know all the facts. The fact is, I shot hundreds of shots in 65-degree weather, and the gas cartridge is still working. I know the number was in the hundreds because I had to load all those 12-shot clips! I have no clue what THE NUMBER is, so please don't ask. Crosman says up to 350 shots on their website, so I'd guess it's something over 300.
If you like fun airguns, the Nightstalker is probably for you. If you already own and like a 1077, you definitely want to look at one of these. It's probably going to become an airgun classic!
205 Comments:
Hi B.B. The nightstalker is an interesting gun. Another gun i'm most interested in at this time is the DU-10 eagle carbine. Have you ever tested or shot one of these? I read the test on the DU-10 pistol and am interested in it as well. One day i hope to own one of these arms. One of my sons collects CZ guns and competes with two of their 9 mm pistols. Beautifully made and functioning guns.
Denny,
I haven't tested the DU-10 carbine, but I would think it's a lot like the pistol. Great gun!
B.B.
BB,
I have both the 1077 and the Nightstalker and I dislike the 1077 and love the NS, I have had nothing but problems with the 1077 forcing me to replace the seals. etc., and the hard trigger pull is really a pain. The NS is a hoot to shoot and truly accurate! Unfortunately, I keep running through Airsource canisters because I lose track of how many mags I've shot. I have found that Walmart carries them about as cheaply as any where. Also the stock on the NS is slippery so I cut some crosswise grooves in it with a soldering iron and now it holds just fine. Really enjoy your daily blogs!
CWI
BB,
Thank goodness your back.Can you make a post of the remington genesis.Its for a friend of mine that is getting into airgunning and likes it.So I told him Id had to ask BB first.Thanks BB.
CF-X guy
airgundoc,
Thanks for your report. I know the 1077 trigger starts out hard sometimes, but they do loosen up over time. The secret to that trigger is inside the large rectangular box that holds the circular clip. Maybe I should blog it. What do you think?
B.B.
CF-X guy,
I haven't shot the Remington Genesis yet, but I held one at the SHOT Show last week. It looks and feels very solid and quite similar to a Gamo, though Crosman assures me they are made in the U.S.
I can't tell you much about the performance, but I can say that both Crosman and Pyramyd Air will stand behind their product. I wouldn't hesitate, if that's what your friend really wants.
B.B.
BB,
Can you still make a post for the remington genesis.
CF-X guy
Hmm I am thinking about buying a benjamin/sheridan legacy1000 in 22.I am looking for a powerfull break barrel at a low price and with good quality at the same time.I seems like the legacy1000 looks right for me but I would like a little more advice before I do.It would work well for target shooting and hunting with low cocking effort only 28 lbs!
BB,
Please do blog it. I will try anything to improve the way the 1077 works.
CWI
Hey BB,
I would also like to see a post for the remington genesis.I think ill buy it.That after your post.
bicho
BB,
I have a Crossman 1077 rifle that works fine with 12 gram co2 powerlets, however when I purchased the airsource adaptor and hooked it up the gas leaks slowly from the magazine well. The rifle will not fire. I am aware certain 1077's made before a certain date are not compatible with the airsource kit. Mine is a newer model with the fibre optic front sight, so I think the airsource kit should work. Any ideas would help from either you, or other readers. Thanks.
Jason
Dear BB,
I was wondering if there is any way to shut off the CO2 in the NS or is it okay to just leave it in the gun after you shoot it and leave it as is?
Jason,
Have you contacted Crosman? They are at this phone number:800-724-7486 (800-7AIRGUN).
NS,
My Nightstalker has been charged for more than 2 months and will remain so indefinitely. The seals should hold, as I found no warning in the manual to the contrary.
B.B.
Please blog the 1077, B.B., what I did to improve mine is not recommended (although effective). It was not as easy to put back together as my Crosman 760. And anything else I can do to improve the trigger would help, it's the only quirk I don't care for.
.357
Howdy, B.B. I hope you had a great time; it is good to have you back!
Denny, I own both the DU pistol and DU rifle. Fortunately, the pistol can be had with a left handed grip. Unfortunately, the rifle only comes with a right handed stock.
Probably the only thing bad I can say is that they are only available in .17 caliber
Interestingly, both guns came with a test target. It appears that they are identical (absolutely exact)! I have to suspect that the Drulov folks are playing with our minds.
The wood work on both guns is beautiful. I will be able to be definitive about the guns' accuracy when the weather warms up!
cold shooter,
Thanks for the report on the Drulovs. Can't wait to hear how the rifle performs.
B.B.
.357,
I could have sworn I did a posting on the 1077, but when I checked, it seems I have been dancing around it all this time. You're on the books for tomorrow!
B.B.
BB,
Do a post on the RWS DIANA 350 MAGNUM.I want to know what you think.
RWS350
RWS 350,
With a handle like that, I'd say you have a thought or two on the subject that I'd like to hear.
B.B.
BB,
I know it is powerful in .22 caliber.It is,in fact,the most powerful .22cal air rifle ive heard of going 1050fps in .22cal!!!!!.I just want a post with opinions and performance as well as accuracy.
RWS 350
I would go for for the rws 350 if it was less expensive.I might eventially but not in the new future.My pick for a powerfull quality airgun at a good price is the ben/sheridan legacy 1000 which is my most likely buy right now 800 fps in 22 maybe even higher with ben/sheridan quality for $165 sounds good but am not completely sure yet.
Actually the condor is the most powerfull 22 airgun but the rws 350 is the most powerfull break barrel.....
I would like to hear some comments on the lagacy1000 because that is what I am considering other wise the rws 34,or the 350 would be my choices but the price on the rws is what is going to probably keep me from buying them.
RWS 350,
Okay, I'll do it. I know what you want now.
Like the other reader said, the Condor has triple the power, but the 350 is one of the two most powerful spring rifles currently being made.
I have tested one in .22 so we got lucky there.
This week,
B.B.
Legacy guy,
I don't have any experience with the Legacy, so I can't review it for you right now. I'll see what I can do down the road, but if any of our readers own the rifle, perhaps they wouldn't mind giving us their opinions?
B.B.
BB,
I want to hear your experience with the gamo CF-X.You said you got one and I was wondering if you liked it.Tell me what you think.
CF-X guy
Yes I would like some comments on the legacy because is looks and seems like a real over all powerfull good quality,accurate and low priced gun but I would definately like some insight first if possible.
legacy guy,
I think that you should go for it!!!!!!!!.But I suggest that you get the .22 cal.It looks good for the price.And if what I read is real than this is a great air rifle.BUY IT!!!! AND BE HAPPY!!!!!!!
CF-X guy
Of course I will buy it in 22,I was hoping more of a regular style firearm.
Legacy guy,
Whatcha gonna do?
Buy the legacy?
CF-X guy
I got the legacy in 22, its a really nice rifle. The power is really nice and the feel is great. I would advise getting it myself..
-TN-
TN,
Thank you.
B.B.
TN,
I hope youenjoy your air rifle!!!!!
And I wanna thank BB because if it wasnt for him, I would never picked up an airgun.So THANKS A LOT BB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CF-X guy
Just out of curiosity, I saw in the ammo recommendations by pyramid that the Crosman ammo 2-pack was listed. Does that mean that BBs can be used in the Nightstalker? If so, are they magazine loaded or intended for for single shot use only?
akira36,
Sharp eyes! I will let Pyramyd Air know they should take that ammo off the Nightstalker page. The Nightstalker is for lead pellets, only.
B.B.
Good afternoon all,
Received one of the NightStalkers with the accessory kit from Pyramyd Air on Friday and took it out shooting this AM. I'm IMPRESSED! At 10 yards, was getting nickel/dime sized 5 to 7 shot groups. One 7 shot group measured 0.46" edge to edge, which would be 0.28" center to center. Pellets were Crosman Premier Hollow-Point in tins and this is with the red-dot sight included in the kit.
That's the best I've done to date with any airgun, including my Gamo NRA Special 1000 that has a 4x scope instead of a red-dot.
The IZH-61 I also received shows great promise, but need to see what pellets it likes and practice getting a more consistent sight picture with it.
thanks,
ben
BB, "My Nightstalker has been charged for more than 2 months and will remain so indefinitely. The seals should hold, as I found no warning in the manual to the contrary."
i forgot that this is a screw in and not a cheap 12g that leaks. i have a co2 bb gun that i thought could hold it in, but after a few shots and putting it away for a few days I found out all the gas leaked out :(
so as confirmation, NT's can hold these 88g's pretty well in there without leakage?
because 300 shots is a lot and it would be sad to shoot a few clips then lose the entire bottle after a few days.
doh! forgot to ask this..
would nightstalker be accurate enough to lets say hit a soda can from 5-7 yards away?
and when you guys are talking about shot groups what does that mean?
Hi iishort86:
"Groups" refer to the size of the holes on a paper target. Generally, I'll shoot anywhere from 5 to 10 shots at a target, which is called a group. Then I measure the size from the outside edges of the two farthest shots, and that's the size of particular group. The bigger the measurement, the bigger the group and the less accurate the gun/shooter/ammo was for that particular group.
Definately, the NS will hit a soda can from 5 to 7 yards! No sweat, in fact! I'll bet I could hit a soda can with mine at 30 yards! At 10 yards, I could have easily hit a dime yesterday, that's how accurate my new NS is. If you can't tell, its my favorite air weapon. ;)
I shot about 100 shots yesterday with my NS and will see if I can fire another 100 next weekend. If so, that's confirmation that the gas cartridge is sealing well.
To be honest, once you get one, you'll probably easily go through a cylinder per shooting session. They are FUN and you can really dispense some lead with them! The only reason I gave up after 100 shots yesterday is that I wanted to try out my new IZH-61 as well, and then didn't go back to it becuase the baby was crying and the wife was ready for me to crank up the grill and cook dinner. :)
I can't wait until little Robby can go shooting with me. He's 3 and a half months old, and I already have a pair of red ryders on the shelf for the both of us. :)
thanks and 73,
ben, KD5BYB
I have one of the first n/s in the uk .the rifle works fine but the extra tk kit on sale here yet.do you know if any other sights will fit the rifle as the open ones are pretty poor and will not line up properly.
Hi covfatbloke,
I just picked up a Nightstalker this past Christmas as well. Its a great airgun! I shoot it at the club and in the field. Very accurate and fun. Especially the double-tap trigger which allows me to empty the clip in a matter of a few seconds.
With regards to the sights though, the TK kits are not avaiable as of yet in Canada either. Althought the Nightstalker sights are similar to my M1 Carbine, I do find them hard to use in dimmer light or on a cloudy day. The top of the Nightstalker though does have a 11mm rail that allows you to mount any of the .22 rimfire sights. However, a .22 optical sight may be difficult to use on a carbine with a high shoulder stock. Not to mention the hight of the Nightstalkers peep sights will obscure your low profile .22 optical sight.
I have tried installing a pair of Weaver "see through rings" which would allow me to use both the metal sights as well as the optical. However, I found that the contact surface of the 11mm see through rings were not as sturdy, and can sway a little under presure.
Since the Nightstalker is a copy of the Beretta CX4 Storm carbine, I decided to see if the picatiny rails from the CX4 would line up with my Crosman. However, the picatiny toprail for the CX4 was quite pricy. Instead, I went down to the local gunshop and picked up a Weaver 63B rail for $12CDN. The mount holes for the rail lined up with the 2 mount holes on the top rail of the Nightstalker, which I afixed with a pair of #6 selftapping screws. With the rail rigidly in place, I then mounted a Bushnell Trophy Red Dot sight.
I also noticed that Beretta CX4's side rails were quite similar to the Crosman side rails. So, I took the side rails off a friends CX4 and found that the mount holes perfectly lined up to the ones on my Nightstalker. (FYI: The Beretta part number for the Side rails are: "E00269." Both the left, and the right rails are the same part.)
I ordered a pair of rails from the local gunshop. They cost $12 CDN a piece. The rails have an alignment ridge at the base that would make them stand a bit tall on the Nightstalker, so I took a file to them, and quickly removed the ridges. I then took a pair of self-tapping #6 screws and secured the pair of rails to both sides of the Nightstalker. I then mounted a laser sight, and a tactical flashlight to the rails.
I now have a fully outfitted TK, and its even more fun than I thought. Much cheaper to put a 1000 rounds through my Crosman than it is to put a 1000 rounds through my M1 Carbine, or through my Super Blackhawk! ;)
ES.
Wild Wild West,
sounds like you've had tons of experience with the NS.
how has the seals been holding co2 in the bottle?
any leakage through out long days/weeks/months without shooting?
Anyone know a site where we can post pics of our NightStalker's. I also have one fully customized NS I would like to show-off!
Great gun.
camp how does your ns hold gas in?
I could create a Yahoo Group for storage/posting of NightStalker pictures. Any interest?
I intend to shoot the NS tomorrow and see if it held in the CO2 cartridge I installed last weekend.
later,
ben
Hey all,
Created a yahoo group for posting pictures of customized NightStalker rifles:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NightStalker/
You've got to join to post pictures and messages and to keep the spammers out I've got to approve the membership applications.
thanks,
ben
Hi there iishort86,
I finally had a chance to shoot my Nightstalker last night at the range after a 2 week break. I had initially put 120 rounds through the rifle 2 weeks back before I stored it with the Airsource installed.
The very first shot came out a little weak , however the consecutive shots were up to par. I drew a crowd at the range, and everyone wanted a go at the carbine. (Rattling a mag from the hip with the laser sight was all the rage!) In the end, we probably put close to an additional 250 shots throught out the night on the same Aircsource.
Everyone was quite surprisingly pleased with the Nightstalker. The only drawback to some of the club patrons was that the Nightstalker is classified as a firearm up here in Canada. So, that put a damper on some of the crowd being able to leagally purchase one. However, by the end of the night; "a fun time was had by all!"
ES.
Hi iishort86:
I have had a bottle in for up to 2 weeks. The gun was in my cold basement; therefore not much pressure on bottle so it seems very little if any leaked out.
Wild-Wild-West:
I kind of did the same at work. A co-worker of mine was bragging about the new Colt look-a-like AR-15 he had built and commented he was bringing it the next day for everybody to see after work. Well...I couldn’t let him get all the attention. I let him get everybody rounded up and after a few minutes I commented I had that-ole-pellet gun in the car I had been telling them about. I gotta tell ya, the Nightstalker stole-the-show when I threw the laser on a box about 30 feet away and quickly un-loaded 12 rounds into it and then loaded another clip and repeated it again. It was a new tank warm from being in the trunk; and you all know firsthand, the spent CO2 gas kind of wisp away it the air…
You could see the kid in each of them as grins appeared on their faces. "Man", "Wow"... yes the NightStalker stole bragging rights! I could have sold a dozen NS’s right then and there.
I will post my gun pics after kd5byb reviews my offer to join his Yahoo group.
hi group - I am author of post above. Having difficulty logging back into my blogger account. Will work out issues with that tomorrow
campmorenow
Hi campmorenow,iishort86, BB,
I agree. New toys are fun!
I neglected to mention that I had stored my Nightstalker in my safe at a comfy 20 deg. Celsius (68 deg. fahrenheit.) for the 2 weeks. Since the Nightstalker is considered a firearm up here in Canada, I had to store it in my gunsafe. (Yes... We have funny laws up here! Just like they do in GB. But then; being a spin off from the Old Empire, I still take my tea at 3:00PM.)
Speaking of whisps of CO2, I am not sure if you or any of the other Nightstalker owners have noticed, but on my Nightstalker with a fresh bottle and during the first 100 or so shots, I do get quite an annoying blast of CO2 following each shot. I find it a bit annoying, as it detracts my aim. To resolve this, I built a flash supressor for my Nightstalker that ports the blast to the sides which allows me a clear line of sight.
I am planning on picking up another Nightstalker soon (just for laughs... Not sure how to explain that to the wife yet...) However, I will let you know if the blast problem is common for this carbine.
Have fun, and be safe!
Wild-Wild-West,
Your comment raises an interesting question that I would like to address next week. That is - what IS that "whisp" of smoke that's sometimes seen when shooting a CO2 gun?
B.B.
I'll bet that wisp of smoke is moisture vapor from the cold CO2 propellant...
Didn't get to shoot the NightStalker today - weather here was poor, wife not feeling well, and didn't get a chance to break away from my fatherly duties taking care of my little 3 month old future airgunning partner. :)
Campmorenow - nice photos! Where did you purchase the muzzle break?
thanks,
ben
kd5byb:
That is a Beeman Universal Muzzle Brake. I got it a gun show awhile back.
Hey i saw the nightstalker and think it is cool. I have had quite a few airguns and my favorite is the gamo young hunter (I am only 12). should i buy it?
i just got my NS today and im pretty happy with it.
i can easily hit a circle thats about 1 inch radius from 6 yards away. all my shots using crossman premier domed hit within the circle.
it's still nothing as accurate as my old bb pump guns but those are pumps and are known for accuracy.
only thing i have to complain about is the spray back of co2 in my face when i shoot. Is that much co2 supposed to escape the clip area and spray back at me? i mean i can taste it when im shooting.
iishort86,
There shouldn't be any spray of gas, as you describe. Also, you should get a lot better accuracy than you report.
Have you tried all the clips that came with the gun?
B.B.
yes i've shot all 4 clips that came with the package and all were the same. Im getting sprayed by co2 every single shot.
and accuracy was the same for all clips as well.
any suggestions besides giving crossman a call?
iishort86,
You do need to call Crosman about this. The clip advance mechanism and the breech seal sound bad.
I expect they will tell you to return the gun to the dealer where you bought it.
Don't be discouraged by this. It happens. Often the company will go out of their way to make things right, to offset your inconvenience.
B.B.
yup they told me to send it back to their factory for repair and or replacement.
before i send it back ill go take it to the back yard and shoot from about 15-20 yards away and see what the gun will give me. ill probably go through the entire gas can just to make it worth the money i paid for it.
i shot it again this morning using a chair the rest the gun on and so far it seems like the accracy is much better then me holding it in the air, duh.. of course this was pretty close range, maybe 10 ft tops. [i have a small room :-( ]
ill report back once i get a chance to shoot in the backyard.
i shot again inside the house first from 1 yard away and it was a little high so i stepped back to 3 yards using a table to rest my gun on when i shoot and i calibrated it to shoot about dime size groups but a little below the tarket mark. I adjusted the front sight to be as low as possible, but still it was a tad low the tarket dot. Stepped back some more and I was about 7 yards away from the tarket and the groups were still about dime size but now way on top of the tarket.
this is supposed to happen right?
only thing im questioning is that im not even standing that far away from the tarket. this is pretty sad if the gun shoots too high or too low from the tarket mark if im only moving +/- 2 to 3 yards away.
iishort86,
You need to think about the angles involved with what you are doing. Look at how high above the bore the front and rear sights are! If you placed the muzzle against the target paper and shot, the pellet would strike that far below where the sights are looking. All close-up shots will suffer from that angular problem.
As you get farther and farther away from the target, it becomes easier for the sight line to intersect the bore line. That's why your shot groups move so much as you back up. Try sighting in at 20 yards (60 feet).
B.B.
I just purchased a nightstalker. I have a problem, in the seven clips of pellets I have fired, at least twice in each one after a few shots the bolt does not return far enough forward to allow for fireing the next pellet. I push it forward and then I can fire. It usally repeates itself once more in that clip. I have tried the other clips with the same problem. Any ideas?
The problem you describe is not a common one, and I don't know a simple solution. I would return the gun for a replacement.
B.B.
Update of my posting May 01,06 about Nightstalker bolt not going all the way forward. After around 100 shots the problem stopped and has not repeated. Must have been a burr somewhere and it smoothed out. Shoots just fine now. Thanks for your input.
Hey, how difficult is it to squeeze the trigger on the ns? my friends got a 9mm co2 pistol and it almost takes two hands just to pull the trigger back!
The NightStalker has a 7 pound trigger pull.
B.B.
How loud is the nightstalker? I was interested in an Airforce Talon SS, but the difference in money has me interested in an NS for squilling in the city limits.
Being CO2, the NightStalker has a pop. A spring air rifle like the Beeman R7 would have the same power and accuracy and be quieter.
The Talon SS has three times the power at the same sound level.
B.B.
B.B.,
When you say three times the power, do you mean speed or muzzle energy?
Power always means energy. You need to read the "What is muzzle energy?" article on this website.
http://pyramydair.com/site/articles/formulas/
B.B.
Hey BB. I was looking into the Nightstalker, and after reading your article on bore leading, I was wondering whether you had experienced any on the Nightstalker. Also, besides PellGunOil, is there anything special I should get for maintanence?
Kiwi,
The NightStalker's velocity is low enough that it doesn't lead up. If you get one with defects in the barrel it might scrape off lead, but that would not be normal for this rifle.
Pellgunoil is really the only maintenance item I would recommend.
B.B.
What about the Walther Quick Cleaning pellets ( http://www.pyramidair.com/cgi-bin/accessory.pl?accessory_id=871 )? Do you ever use those?
Kiwi,
I don't use them because I never clean an airgun.
B.B.
Does the Nightstalker's 3/8 inch rail have a hole for the interlock?
How long does the NS last? does it just wear down and break after a year or so?
Nehna_Arab,
Because the NightStalker is so new, we have to look to similar airguns to make a prediction about its longevity. I have a Crosman 1077 that is about 15 years old and has been used by the public to shoot tens of thousands of rounds at sporting events. Crosman has a field tems with several 1077s that do the same thing.
If you take care of it, I don't think you can wear out a Nightstalker in your lifetime.
B.B.
B.B.
I enjoy your posts and have learned a great deal.
I recently purchased a Nightstalker based on your reviews and the experiences of others and love it. The most fun I've had with an airgun since I was a kid!
A question for you I hope you have time to answer. I was only able to find the base model at retail in my area, so I do not have the extras the TK kit has. I thought about purchasing the rails direct from Crosman or an alternative, but wondered how they mount to the gun? I see the screw holes on the exoskeleton, so do the screws simply self-tap as you thread them in? I didn't know if this limited other brands of rails as I like the ones offered by:
http://www.ergogrips.net/item-detail.cfm?
since they can be cut to size and are available as singles. Any thoughts?
Cheers!
Tom_H,
I pulled off the left rail for you. The screws appear to be self-tapping, but of a type I'm not familiar with. Alternate threads are larger! They seem to bite into the plastic and give good torque without stripping.
B.B.
What is the best Silencer/Muzzle Breach for the NS? and how do you make sure that it lines up with the barrel?
Nehna_Arab,
Have YOU heard of a muzzle brake for a NightStalker? I haven't. I suppose a Beeman might work but the NightStalker barrel is thinner than a Weihrauch barrel, so a thicker shim would be needed.
As for barrel alignment, if there is sufficient clearance at the muzzle of the brake and if the inside of the brake is aligned with the outside of the NightStalker barrel, there should be no problem.
B.B.
B.B.
Thanks for the reply regarding the rails. As for Nehna_Arab's muzzle break question. I recently purchased the Beeman Universal from Pyramid and it works with the thinner shim on my particular rifle. Took a bit of TLC to get it to slide down correctly, but it was worth it. I love the look it gives the gun.
Next up the Bug Buster 2 scope and a laser. Do you think the Deluxe Tactical Tri-rail/ring medium profile that Pyramid sells will provide sufficient clearance for the scope to clear the mohawk sights? If not, I will need to figure out a different configuration.
thx!
Tom_H
Tom-H,
Please give me a day to reflect on what you asked?
B.B.
Tom_H
Your goal is to keep the scope between the front and rear sights. No mount on earth can get a scope above those sights (well, there is one, but it costs $500, looks ridiculous and doesn't work as adversized).
The mount you have selected is identcal to any medium-height mount.
There is no need to have the scope mounted above the sights because they will not be visible through the scope. The scope that's on the gun in the picture already works, so we know the rear sight isn't a problem.
With all of that taken into consideration, I'd say yes, these rings will work.
B.B.
Halo 2 battle rifle meets Famas G2? I just got an NS the other day and I was wondering were I can get the Weaver mounts. I want to trick it out and add a sling, so I need those attatchments.
I took me a second to get used to the peep sight, but I was hitting the bottoms of pop cans from 50 ft. Very consistent, but my front sight was almost all the way forward.
Oh, and I counted about 308 shots before I ran out of gas in 70-80 degree weather.
I am working on making a silencer by paking a bicycle-seat post with foam and just sticking it over the muzzle like a sleeve, and I'm also working on a mock magazine for the rear. I might make it out of a deck of cards, unless I can find actual kits.
Is there a silencer that can be bought or adapted for the NS?
nib41,
I just tried to fit the RWS 850 Magnum fake silencer to my NightStalker, but the barrel is too big.
I suspect there is nothing easily adaptable from the airgun sidfe, but6 perhaps something from the airsoft world could be made to fit.
B.B.
My buddy has a Tokyo Mauri FN-P90 mock silencer that is threaded just a bit to small for the NS barrel. You could probably drill the threads out and it'd fit perfectly.
just wanted to let you NS owners know that crosman seems like they are no longer returning any emails and or phone calls.
i wanted to get my gun serviced since the trigger is now acting up and the co2 pray after each shot is still happening and accuracy is not as good as many others have gotten.
i am in contact with pyramid air and hopefully they will take care of this for me.
boo for crosman!!
B.B. Can the 88 gram CO2 bottle be left in the nightstalker?--D.G.
D.G. The Owher's manual says not to. I do. Mine works just fine.
B.B.
B.B. Thanks-------------D.G.
I was reading about mags not indexing. Mine sometimes has 6 pellets left in the mag after I have pulled trigger 12 times. Seems to a lot of gas coming out of the magazine area??
Donald,
Your magazines are not advancing. This can be due to a fault of the gun or to improperly loaded pellets. If the pellets stick out on either end of the magazine, they will not advance. Be sure you aren't using pellet that are too long and stick out.
If any of your unfired pellets have a half-moon cut on their nose, that is the sign of not indexing correctly. Any gun problems required you to return the gun to the dealer who sold it.
B.B.
Hi,
just got one. Had fun.
at the end of session the gun started firing like an automatic.
Is this a fault or the gas running out? Got one gas bottle left. If I use it only to find its faulty I've wasted a bottle.
Heres the answer to a question raised above = The "webley pro silencer" fits the NS.
Can't seem to get the crosman rails in the UK Is there alternative? Will the Weaver 63B rails fit on side of NS?
Thanks
Gary
Gary,
Full-auto fire is typical of a CO2 powered semiautomatic at the end of a charge because the sear doesn't catch as the gas pressure drops too low. The question you have to answer is did you get over 20 magazines from the gun before that happened?
If not, there might be a problem. If so, and if your firing was fast, which uses more gas, then you probably just ran out.
B.B.
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews98866.html
on this site, theres OVERWHELMINGLY bad reviews on the Nightstalker....everyone keeps talkin bout how the GAS LEAKS after only the 3rd to 4th canister!?!?!?
now...im worried, cause i currently have one on the way that'll be here by the 4th....SHOULD I BE THIS WORRIED?
all i read on this msg. board are good reviews.....wtf is going on????
Since the gun is on the way, why not just use it and see what happens? None of the reviewers on the British site have a track record and none of them mentions putting Crosman Pellgunoil on the tip of the AirSource before puncturing it. You will be doing that, of course.
My Nightstalker has been holding for a full year now with no signs of leaving. It sill works well, a fact I just confirmed. Since I got it, it has never been without a cartrudge in it, and yet it does not leak.
B.B.
BB
well....ur advice is reassuring, i DO trust you BB. and i didnt realize it was a UK website, now that i think about it, wtf do brits know anyways (JK!.....kind of).
so yea...now im glad i ended up buyin the pellgunoil WITH my Nightsalker tk.
is that one of the uses of the oil? so, if i understand correct, put the oil on the tip of the CO2 tank?? right??
also, you should put a couple drips down the barrel too right??
thanks a lot BB.....i posted on here for the purpose of reassurance of my purchase......the reason i BOUGHT the damn gun was cause of all the positive feedback i saw on HERE....
also, are y