Thursday, February 16, 2006

Crosman 1077 - a fun pellet gun

by B.B. Pelletier

CWI posted that he has both a Crosman Nightstalker and a 1077. He likes his NightStalker but not his 1077. The airgundoc asked me to blog it, however. I thought I had already reported on this rifle, but looking back, I can't find it. So, here we go - hopefully not again!

It's really a revolver!
The 1077 looks something like Ruger's 10/22, which it's patterned after, but inside the gun's mechanism is a revolver instead of a semiauto. This revolving aspect is where the (sometimes) long, hard trigger-pull comes from, as you are both advancing the clip to the next pellet as well as cocking and releasing the hammer. The Ruger 10/22 is a highly successful product, and Crosman's copy is too. I expect it to be around for many more years.

Run by CO2
This is a gas rifle and available only in .177 caliber. Its velocity is in the 575-600 f.p.s. region with accurate pellets, which makes it too weak for hunting. But, it's the perfect gun for plinking and general shooting.

For many years, there was just one basic model - the one that accepts 12-gram powerlets. Crosman added a walnut stock in the late '90s, and a few years ago they adapted it to their new AirSource system. Newer guns can be converted from 12-gram to AirSource, though one of our readers reports having problems with his conversion. Read the conversion stipulations on the Pyramyd Air website (in the conversion description), which is straight from Crosman.

A collectible model
For a few years in the '90s, Crosman offered a model they called the Constant Air gun. It was a 1077 adapted to accept a braided steel hose from a 12-ounce CO2 tank that was either worn on the belt or clamped to the bottom of the gun. The retail price of $185 for the Constant Air setup kept sales low, but the existence of that rare variation proves how dedicated Crosman was to get back into bulk-filled CO2. They had not made a gun of that type since 1954.

Both a clip and a magazine are required
The heart of the rifle is a removable box-like magazine. Into this magazine goes a circular 12-shot clip loaded with pellets. When it's inserted, it's locked in place. The large magazine is easier to handle than the much smaller clip, so it is used to load the clip into the rifle.

Different clips work differently in the magazine, so you will get a different trigger-pull as each new clip is installed. As the rifle wears in it becomes smoother and the trigger pull gets lighter until it arrives at a very pleasurable state. My first 1077 was a used gun that was already worn in, so I didn't experience the harsh trigger of a new gun for a long time. When I got a second rifle that was adapted for the AirSource cartridge and it, too, had a sweet pull right out of the box. I've felt some 1077s with harder pulls, however, and they do crop up here and there. The best tuneup you can give the gun is hard use, which isn't difficult once you find out how much fun the rifle can be.

Very accurate!
My first rifle is so accurate that I mounted a $300 Beeman SS-2 compact scope on it. That seems laughable, but this gun can drill a dime at 25 yards all day long, so it's worth the better scope. Also, the obsolete Beeman is one of the smallest on the market, which goes well with the 1077's smaller size and weight. Today, I would mount a Leapers Bug Buster 2 on one - which doesn't cost anywhere near as much as the SS-2!

A classic
The 1077 is a design that will endure through time. Long after it's no longer sold, new airgunners will be hoarding the used guns and using them for what they were built to do - shoot fast, accurate and OFTEN!

148 Comments:

At February 16, 2006 7:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,
I own a 1077. It is accurate, and I love it! My rifle is equipt with a 30 mm red dot. I mounted the red dot instead of a scope because I'm able to get on the target much quicker during strings of rapid fire. As far as the trigger goes, it is what it is. Sometimes in the pursuit of becoming better marksman with the best gear, all the technical aspects can be overwhelming and blur the main reason most of us shoot in the first place, for fun!That is what the 1077 is all about. Back to basics shooting for pure enjoyment. Now if I could only get my airsource upgrade kit to work!
Jason

 
At February 16, 2006 7:39 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jason,

Is your rifle in the correct range to be upgraded? And did you try oiling the AirSource cartridge with Pellgunoil?

B.B.

 
At February 16, 2006 11:13 AM, Anonymous Bill said...

Hi BB,

Never owned a scope but had a dovetail made for my Sheridan 392, so considering the Leapers 6x Bug Buster. Pyramyd recommends the 1-piece adjustable B-Square mini mount. Which adjustable 2-piece B-Square mounts do you recommend, and do you have a preference--1 or 2 piece?

Bill

 
At February 16, 2006 11:31 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Bill,

Mounting a scope on the Benjamin 392 is a challenge. I'd take Pyramyd's advice, because the 392 needs a special base to attach to the gun. Also, pumping will become more difficult with the scope in the way. You can't use the scope as a handle while pumping!

As far as B-Square adjustable rings go, two-piece medium rings will probably work, but check with Pyramyd.

Let us know how it turns out!

B.B.

 
At February 16, 2006 1:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear BB,
I don't know if i got a lemon or not, but ever since i got my 1077 last July it doesn't get that many shots per CO2 cartridge and it isn't too accurate. I've also tried to mount an airsource adapter on it, but all of the three times I've tried it I've had problems. Any suggestions?

 
At February 16, 2006 1:47 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

It sounds like you have a leaker. You should get 40-50 good shots per powerlet. Call the dealer who sold it to you and see qhat they can do for you. If that doesn't work call Crosman and see what can be done.

Have you ever used Pellgunoil on the powerlets?

What date is on the triggerguard, per the conversion instructions in today's posting?

B.B.

 
At February 16, 2006 2:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

I want to know if a 1000fps air rifle can shoot faster than 1000fps with a lighter pellet than the one used to rate the power of the gun.

CF-X guy

 
At February 16, 2006 3:02 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

CF-X guy,

That's usually the case. And remember, at 1000 f.p.s. you're throwing away a lot of long-range accuracy.

B.B.

 
At February 16, 2006 5:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

You told me you did not suggest the eu jin 16.1grain pellets for the cf-x.What is the next good hunting caliber.And If I bought a eu jin 16.1grain pellets,how fast would it go on the cf-x?

CF-X guy

 
At February 16, 2006 5:53 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

CF-X guy,

Test time! YOU tell ME how fast it will go!

Extrapolate using the Pyramyd energy charts and what you know about the CF-X. Hint - look at the numbers that readers have sent in.

B.B.

 
At February 16, 2006 6:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,
My 1077 was manufactured Feb 2004 so it is a model that is compatible with the airsource kit. I was pretty sure it was compatible even before dating the rifle. I also tried to use pell gun oil, as I do every time a fresh CO2 cartridge is installed in the rifle. A couple drops on the tip of the cartridge. I will contact Crossman with the situation. Thanks for your input BB.
Jason

 
At February 16, 2006 11:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

Do you have any expirience with Logun Penetrators. Either, the 16 or the 20.5 grain in .22 cal. I would also like to hear any and all, of the expiriences of fellow readers with this ammo. Sorry for being off topic. Thanks.

Jason

 
At February 17, 2006 1:26 AM, Anonymous Kenny said...

BB,

Can you mount a scope on the Crosman 357GW kits 8 inch barrel??
i have heard that you cant and also that you can also can i mount a rifle scope on it or would it not work? I am going for the "dirty harry with a scope" look as my friends call it.

if you can answer this thanks!

-Kenny

 
At February 17, 2006 5:25 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Jason,

I'm working on a report on both weights of Logun Penetrators right now.

B.B.

 
At February 17, 2006 5:28 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Kenny,

I have never heard of a scoped 357, but I'll ask around for you.

If a rifle scope will fit, so will a pistl scope because they use the same rings.

B.B.

 
At February 17, 2006 9:19 AM, Blogger airgundoc said...

BB,
I'm making a valiant effort to break in my 1077 and I must admit it is performing better. The accuracy has improved and the trigger is very slowly softening. We'll see how much improvement it makes.
Jason,
I have been using Logun Penetrators for some time and like them a lot in 20gr.for raccoon busting. My chrony says they are a bit faster than Beeman Kodiaks but the latter are cheaper so I have been in the habit of saving the Loguns for varmint control. BB may find that I am way off in my estimate of their value and I really respect his evaluations so we both should wait for his comments. (The Loguns sure are "pretty" though).
CWI

 
At February 17, 2006 9:31 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

CWI and Jason,

I will do the Logun pellets soon, I promise. I have learned as much from reading the comments on this blog as some readers claim to have learned from my writing. If there is one thing I know it's to never decide about anything until I test it.

That said, I'm also testing a brand-new pellet from Gamo that is supposed to increase the velocity of the 1250 Hunter to 1,600 f.p.s. I've already clocked it in my test CF-X and seen speeds above 1,100 f.p.s., so there seems to be some truth to this one. Now to see how accurate it is!

B.B.

 
At February 17, 2006 11:02 AM, Anonymous JB said...

Hello BB,
I have experience with 3 different 1077's, and a couple airsource adapters. My favorite is a Laminated stock model to which I've added a 1 inch rubber buttpad. The extra length makes it easier for me to shoot. A BSA red dot tops my synthetic stock model, which is deadly on soda cans out to 25 yards. These are really fun guns.

One Airsource adapter works just fine, no leaks on any gun. One adapter leaked from day 1. Turns out that it was defective, had a leak on the long tube that fits in the gun. Crossman promptly replaced it with one that works perfectly, they did not replace the 3 wasted airsource cartridges! Be careful to not overtighten the adapter to the gun, it seems to really deform the seal so that going back to powerlets can be a problem with leaks. I might have to replace one of those seals.

Yes, the triggers do get better with use. I read(or heard) that the pull could be improved by manually working the mechanism on the magazine. I've worked the magazines hundreds of times, without shooting, just watching TV! It works! The pulls are improved, but I don't have a new one to compare as a control.

Thanks for writing this Blog, keep the info coming!!

JB

 
At February 17, 2006 11:13 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

JB,

Thank you for your report. I, too, have cycled a 1077 trigger while watching TV. I guess I should have mentioned that.

Thanks also for the report on how Crosman treated you. I speak to them all the time and I know they want their customers to be satisfied, but so often we just don't pick up the phone and call.

B.B.

 
At February 17, 2006 6:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

Thanks for all the info. I am really looking foward to the blog about the Logun Penetrators, and your results from testing them!

CWI,

Thanks for your input and thoughts on the Penetrators also! From what you said, theese pellets seem great. How well do they group? I just got some in, and can't wait to shoot them thru my new Gladi8or! Thanks.

Jason

 
At February 17, 2006 7:16 PM, Blogger airgundoc said...

Thanks JB,
I think that's what killed my seals on the 1077 the first time. I am going to be more careful tightening down the Airsource adaptor when I use that. When you talk about recycling the magazine while watching TV I assume it is in the gun or can you do that while it is out and if so, how?
CWI

 
At February 17, 2006 7:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

CWI,

On the 1077 magazine there is a "little square tab" on the rear edge . With a clip in the magazine if you pull this "tab" the clip with advance to line up the next chamber. If you look in the mag well of the 1077 you will see the "hook" that fits in the "tab", and when the trigger is pulled this "hook" pulls the "tab" back and advances the clip to the next chamber. I hope this helps.

Jason

 
At February 17, 2006 7:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB,

Where do I get thouse new gamo pellets?

CF-X guy

 
At February 17, 2006 10:02 PM, Anonymous JB said...

CWI

Jason hit it right, just cycle the little tab in and out about a thousand, er... 10 thousand times!! :)


JB

 
At February 18, 2006 12:28 AM, Anonymous .357 said...

Kenny,
You can mount a scope on a 357, but...
There is no dovetail. Just a tiny thin groove that can be used. You could do it, but in order to clamp it tight enough to hold it steady, you risk damaging (at least superficially) the top of your pistol, and ruining your scope if it is bumped wrong and the (very)tiny bit of plastic breaks, dropping the scope to the ground.
Possible. Not recommended.

 
At February 18, 2006 12:38 AM, Anonymous .357 said...

And thanks for this blog B.B., I'm working through your library now, only 15 to go! If only I could remember it all...

 
At February 18, 2006 12:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gamo Raptor .177

 
At February 18, 2006 2:30 AM, Anonymous Kenny said...

Dear .357,

Dont the 357GW kit on pryamidair have mounts?

becouse that comes with a red dot and it says "red dot sight and mounts" in the description, or is that what your talking about?

I am close to having the money for it(i am only 14) and i just wanted to know everything about it.

If ya can answer this question thanks!

 
At February 18, 2006 6:43 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Kenny,

When you first asked about the Crosman 357, you asked whether a scope could be mounted on one. The red dot sight that comes with the gun is not a scope. A dot sight does not magnify the target image the way a scope does. It shines a dot on a glass screen that can be aligned with the target, so all the shooter has to do it put the dot on the target a pull the trigger.

Dot sights are much lighter than scopes because they don't have as many lenses. So it's easier to clamp one to the top of a plastic pistol than it would be to clamp a much heavier scope.

I hope that clears up any confusion for you.

B.B.

 
At February 21, 2006 5:58 PM, Anonymous Bill said...

BB -

I noticed the nightstalker a while back while searching for air guns, and I have to say I'm impressed! Before I buy, I wanted to know if I could load this thing with 'BB bullets' (6mm, .25g) for some of my other targets when I'm not shooting pellets. I've seen pellet rifles that take both, is this one of them... or will it jam and missfire? Thanx in advance!

-Bill

 
At February 21, 2006 6:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill,

I dont know a lot about this airgun but I belive it only shoots pellets of its caliber.I think that it would say so if it shoot both.

CF-X guy

 
At February 21, 2006 6:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill,

Your saying you know of airguns that can shoot .177 inch pellets and 6mm= .25 cal softair bbs?

Jason

 
At February 21, 2006 7:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill,

I have a benji 392 that is scoped. I used the b-sqaure 17010 mount. With this mount you have to use weaver rings. Low ones are fine. I like the weaver rings because, you can take off the scope and put back on and keep the relative zero. This mounting system still allows the stock sights to be used! It is rock solid (put threadlock on the two screws that secure the mount to the reciever. I never tried the plastic crosman inter-mount system, I don't like that they mount to the barrel.

Jason

 
At February 23, 2006 6:08 PM, Anonymous Bill said...

Whoops - pays to read my own comment before I leave it - I meant the 4.5mm bbs (for plinking). Stupid me- how is 6mm suposed to fit into a .177 hole?

With that in mind, would a plastic round will work in this weapon? I have seen cheaper break-barrel air guns, and some air pistols (.177) that will shoot about anything that you can load into them. Being automatic, I wouldn't want to damage the mechanism in any way with incorrect ammo.

-Bill

 
At February 24, 2006 11:16 PM, Anonymous .357 said...

Bill,

If you mean the 1077,and by plastic you mean the "hypervelocity" and it's kind, I can speak only from my positive experiences. No jamming from loose pellets, no ill effects from the valve. I think using around 700 counts as a good test, and that's what I've done. All this piece really needs is a pellet that is not longer than the magazine is thick. They do seem to reduce accuracy, though.

 
At March 12, 2006 1:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi BB, Kenny,

This is "ES" and I came across your note about whether it is possible to mount a scope on a Crosman 357 with an 8 inch barrel. I had entered and article on your " Crosman's 357GW kit" link with regards to my experiences with my 357 with an 8 inch barrel; and yes it is possible to do so. It really depends upon how adept you are in doing so...

With the Crosman 357 kits here in Canada, they come with a set of "Crosman Airgun Mount 459MTC" mount kits. This kits consists of 2 clamps that are tightened around the barrel, and will provide a pair of 11mm scope rails for you to mount a .22 based scope on to. This is a quite an efficient solution, and will also allow you to mount scopes on to a variety of diffrent airguns other than those made by Crosman.

However, my experience with the 459MTC mounts are that they do tend to shift a little if you bump your gun resulting in a "loss of zero." Since the mount are made of aluminium, you cannot really tightened them as you would a real gun mount, else you may strip the screws that hold the mounts together.

With my dissatifaction of the 459MTC, mounts I resorted to the most "logical" conclusion, and that is to install a real mount rail to the top of my 8 inch barrel. I bought a "Weaver 63B" rail kit and a tap kit from my local gun store. The rail kits run about $10CDN, and the tap kits about $15CDN. The 63B rail has a flat base with a grove cut in it that matches the top rail of the 357 barrel. Once the rail is lined up, simply mark the hole's mount points to the barrel, drill and tap the holes. Then apply the rail, and screw it in place. This will provide a sturdy mount for either an optical, or a "red dot" scope that will not shift from zero once sighted in. I have used both an 4 power optical scope, and then migrated to a tactial red dot on my 357 now for over a year, and my zero has not drifted at all.

On the other hand, you will notice the added weight of a full size optical scope on your pistol. My full size red dot scope took my 357 from what once felt like a pocket pistol, to a weight close to that of my real S&W 357. (I know... I could have mounted a smaller scope. But! That would have been too easy... Besides, I like the look of a full sized scope on my 357 as opposed to the tiny little red dots.)

The added scope weight may also cause "barrel droop." However, since the scope is mounted on the barrel as opposed to the receiver, this should not cause a loss of zero. With my 357, after a while, I began to notice the barrel slackening resulting in a minor droop due to the weight of my scope. To cure this, I shimmed the barrel's latch hole with a metal strip cut from a tin can, and now my barrel is rock solid.

If this note is getting too technical, you can take the pistol to a competent gunsmith to have them install the rail. A good gunsmith should understand what is required, and be able to safely install the accessories. Hope this helps.

Take care,

ES.

 
At March 17, 2006 3:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi i need a littile help. I want to buy a Pellet gun i want to use it for hunting birds and maybe squirls if i have to when i am in the wilderness what would be a good gun. Could you please tell me what velocity i need what bb is best and how many feet per second is best for hunting birds and squirls please please tell me Thankz you for your time.

 
At March 17, 2006 7:48 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Hunter,

The perfect airgun for hiking is either a Sheridan Blue Streak or a Benjamin 392. Both are multi-pump pneumatics, which means you can vary the power by the number of pump strokes you put in.

Go to this address to read a posting about a survival airgun, which is what you want.

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/10/airgun-for-survival.html

B.B.

 
At March 17, 2006 8:56 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

ES,

Now, THAT was a comment, folks!

Well done, Kenny!

B.B.

 
At March 20, 2006 9:41 PM, Anonymous Manbir Gill said...

Hi thank you for responding to my Qestion. I think the Sheridan Blue Streak and the Benjamin 392 are great guns although. I am looking for a gun with a littile more modern look. Black gun with crome scope or barrel i need it to get rid of rabits and squirl's. I want a gun that would provide me with a acurate shot. I dont want the BB going side to side i want it to go to where i see the object in my scope i want a very powerfull gun. I like the style of the RemingtonAirmaster77kit by Remington but do not know if this gun will take out rabbits and squirlz from 50 feet. PLEASE REPLY THANKZ YOU

 
At March 21, 2006 10:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love the crossman pellet gun i own. I am 15 yrs old and its great. I love shooting targets, but i cant get the scope to work right! Without it it is fun, but i want to use it! can someone help me.?its a 4x32 scope. .177 pellet

 
At March 22, 2006 2:08 AM, Anonymous manbir gill said...

Hi thank you for responding to my Qestion. I think the Sheridan Blue Streak and the Benjamin 392 are great guns although. I am looking for a gun with a littile more modern look. Black gun with crome scope or barrel i need it to get rid of rabits and squirl's. I want a gun that would provide me with a acurate shot. I dont want the BB going side to side i want it to go to where i see the object in my scope i want a very powerfull gun. I like the style of the RemingtonAirmaster77kit by Remington but do not know if this gun will take out rabbits and squirlz from 50 feet. PLEASE REPLY THANKZ YOU

 
At March 22, 2006 7:28 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Scope problems,

First put on safety glasses.

Next, start sighting in at 10 feet from the target. The goal is to have the pellet hit in line with the center of the aim point and as far below it as the center of the scope is above the center of the barrel.

Make the aim point a dot the size of an asprin and don't worry if it's not clear. You can still see where it is. Put thgis dot in the center of a piece of cardboard that's at least 12 inches square.

When you are hitting where I've indicated, move back to 30 feet and the pellet should land about at inch below the aim point. At 60 feet it should be close to the center of the aim point.

B.B.

 
At March 22, 2006 7:31 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

manbir gill,

The Remington is on the light side but it should be adequate for what you want as long as you hit a vital spot.

B.B.

 
At April 14, 2006 8:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi bb pel,

i wonder is there a way to pep up the 1077 by changing valves. there is a company out there, which offers to upgrade co2 guns to higher velocity. i forgot the name of it. if you use your airsource canister only 200 times instead of close to 400 shots and double your velocity to close to 1000 fps instead, what a nice squirrel hunter you would end up with. i wonder why nobody ever asked this question. i read somewhere, this company does this conversion all the time or sells the conversion kits. btw canadian tire sells now the 1077 as crossman airsource 1077 and comes with the airsource can nicely snuggled underneath the belly. no fumbling around necessary any more. looking forward to your reply.
cheers faustus

 
At April 15, 2006 5:30 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

faustus,

I am going to answer your question in the posting next week. There is too much to cover in an answer here.

B.B.

 
At April 16, 2006 5:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i need a scope for my crosman 1077. do you know a scope i can put on it?

 
At April 17, 2006 4:14 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Scope needer,

What about the Crosman 0410 scope that Pyramyd recommends?

B.B.

 
At April 27, 2006 7:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got a Crosman 1077 and a c02 tank is jammed. how do i get it out?

 
At May 22, 2006 5:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just purchased a 1077, and it seems real weak, does thi go away with time. I have other pellet and or BB guns, and even my gammo pistol has more power..

 
At May 23, 2006 12:45 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The 1077 is far more powerful than a Gamo pistol. I think you might want to return that gun to the dealer who sold it to you.

B.B.

 
At July 08, 2006 8:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i just got a 1077 i that it would a plesure to have one . But after a couple of shots i was dissapontied any sujestons. now have winchester 800xs its a heck of a beter gun than the 1077

 
At September 07, 2006 4:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My Gave Me A 1077 And For A Target Plinker That THing Can Be A Serious Squirrel Killing Pellet gun Ive Killed About Thirteen With that Gun From Ranges Up 32 Yard This Thing Can Do Some Serious Damage And It Being Semi Auto Makes It All The Better For Small Game Hunting . I Highly Reccomend it For Rat Gophers Squirrell Dove Quail (if You Can Hit One ) Ane Even Rabbits This Gun Shows WHow Amazing Crosman Is With There Air Rifles God Bless The Crosman 1077.

 
At September 11, 2006 9:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You Can Get the co2 tank out by Unscrewing The gun and There Should Be A Slot Under The Barrel U should be able To see the Co2 Case And Use a screwdriver To Pop It Out .

 
At September 28, 2006 9:34 PM, Anonymous Carl said...

Hello, Just wanted to add my 2cents. I bought this rifle to teach my son how to shoot. Fit and finish are really quite good for the low price. My son and I are very pleased. I really like the new front sight. The rifle is very accurate, at 10M it's really a little tack driver. I may have to get another for DAD to shoot :) I may have to scope mine though. Nice gun, not much cash, a real value, Crossman hit the X ring with the 1077.

 
At November 16, 2006 1:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1077 hunter
does the 1077 realy hunt that good? if so, this shouldnt be the best of youth rifles, now would it? there has to be a setback to this gun if its known for youth shooting. any ideas?
steamingspud

 
At November 16, 2006 3:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm having a problem, two actually, but the second has more to do with finding the answers to the first.

I have had my 1077 open to lube some internals, open a few ports (that sort of thing), when I put things back together and tested, it took about 18 shots before dumping the rest of the cartridge (I'm still on the 12g). Now anytime I put a new one in it just emptys right away.

Any thoughts on what needs to be done?

Oh, I have daignosed it through 3 powerlets as co2 going the full circuit. It passes through the piercing and valve assemblies, but nothing inside seems to stop it....I haven't had the valve apart yet.

HELP PLEASE!!!

 
At November 21, 2006 9:41 PM, Blogger Nick said...

Just received my 1077w and am experiencing a weird problem. The first 2-4 shots of the 12 round clip are always weak (guessing around 300fps). Then it "warms up" so to speak and fires much more powerfully.

Do new airguns need a break-in cycle? I have an old 1077 from 1995 that never had this problem.

Thanks!
-Nick.

 
At November 22, 2006 8:28 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

Nick,

This is a new problem for me! It is not a normal break in kind of thing.

I think you need to talk to Crosman customer service.

http://www.crosman.com/site/customer_service/

B.B.

 
At December 12, 2006 10:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey I was wondering about the bulk CO2 kits. Which is more powerful: powerlet, airsource, or refillable bulk CO2 cartriges.

Thanks

 
At December 12, 2006 10:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yea I forgot to ask which is cheaper?

 
At December 13, 2006 6:20 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

There is absolutely no difference in power. All CO2 sources have exactly the same pressure, regardless of their size.

Bulk-filling tends to be the most economical way to shoot.

B.B.

 
At December 13, 2006 7:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks.

 
At December 31, 2006 10:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

if i want to use my 1077 for hunting squirrels and other pests at close range (30-50 feet), what sort of ammo would work best? i hear that the 1077 can be finicky with anything but the standard crosman wadcutter ammo. is that ammo right for my project?

 
At December 31, 2006 11:53 AM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

A 1077 isn't powerful enough for squirrels. You need at least 700 f.p.s. and 10 foot-pounds, but .22 caliber is even better.

B.B.

 
At December 31, 2006 12:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks for your reply ...but if i already own the 1077 and prefer it for its repeater capability, what options do i have? is there another pellet which has more leathality than the standard wadcutter?

 
At December 31, 2006 12:43 PM, Anonymous B.B. Pelletier said...

A wadcutter is good for close ranges, which is all you should be shooting if you plan on hunting with a 1077. I think it will out-perform any other pellet at the distances you mentioned.

B.B.

 
At December 31, 2006 3:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BB. Many thanks for your replies.

Basically, my goal is to inflict as much pain or death as possible on the squirrel, possum and raccoon population that chooses to enter my backyard. I know this sounds cruel, and you must believe me when I say that I'm generally a non-violent sort of guy. But nothing bothers me as much as rodents -- of all varieties. My idea is to mulch my backyard plants (which seems to draw them out like moths to a flame) and then wait on the back porch with the 1077. The reason I'm thinking of the 1077 is for its semi-auto firing mechanism -- so if one shot doesn't take them out, at least it will stun them enough to allow me to get another or a third into them. My thought is that I'm likely to only get one shot, so I'd like to make it count.

Oh yeah, my wife said that I can't spend much money on this endeavor, so the 1077's $70 price tag is a real attraction. Most of the pump-action rifles seem to cost twice what the 1077 does.

Do you have any thoughts on the issue? Also, do you have any experience with silencers on the 1077? A little birdy told me that firing pellet guns inside my city limits is illegal, so if there's a way to minimize any attraction I get from the neighbors, I'm all for it.

 
At January 02, 2007 5:13 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The 1077 is not the gun you want. If you want to kill squirreels and raccoons you need more power.

The 1077 is not a true semiautomatic. It's a double action only revolver that looks like a semiauto.

Have you considered buying a used gun? A used 392 or Blue Streak would run about $75.

B.B.

 
At January 03, 2007 11:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks for the advice, BB. i've got a friend who likes my 1077 that he'll buy it from me, so i think i'll set out to find a blue streak.

regarding the blue streak, i read your article on it as a great "survival gun," but are there any modifications that you'd make to it, or is it good to go right out of the box. i'm a fairly good air rifle shot, and i'm comfortable with a williams receiver sight. other than that, is there any work that you'd recommend being done to it? perhaps a basic tune up after i shoot some pellets through it? any air gun smiths in the austin area that you know of?

 
At January 03, 2007 12:59 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Get the peep sight and avoid any tuneups. Just shoot it as it comes.

B.B.

 
At January 28, 2007 11:16 PM, Blogger Doc Erie said...

Please provide opinions regarding the effective range of the 1077(unmodified)on crows.

 
At January 29, 2007 6:37 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Doc,

I would not use a 1077 on a crow. Crows require power, like squirrels. Use something with at least 12 foot-pounds.

B.B.

 
At May 11, 2007 9:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B. -
Two questions:
1. Is the stock on the 1077/1077W plastic?
2. Will the Air Source conversion work on both the 1077 and the 1077W or just one of them?
Thanks,
John

 
At May 13, 2007 9:15 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

John,

The 1077 has a plastic stock. The 1077W has a wood stock. The AirSource conversion should work on both models (the plastic stock for sure), but call Pyramyd Air and ask.

B.B.

 
At May 13, 2007 8:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.
One more question.
Is there any technical advantage (meaning not looks, but more metal parts or anything like that) to the 1077W as opposed to the 1077?

Thanks,
John

 
At May 14, 2007 7:50 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

The wood stock and plastic stock rifles are identical.

B.B.

 
At June 26, 2007 11:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how well can I expect the 1077 to group at 50 yds?

 
At June 26, 2007 11:22 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Perhaps 2-2.5 inches.

B.B.

 
At June 30, 2007 1:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have attached the CO2 airsource cartridge carefully following the directions and both times gas came out through the two gas release holes resulting in an empty cartridge. What should be done differently?

 
At June 30, 2007 3:10 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Did you put a drop of Pellgunoil on the tip of the AirSource cartridge before you punctured it?

Take the AirSource cartridge out of the adaptor and look inside the hole. Is there a light yellow O-ring near the bottom of the hole? If not, that's the problem. If you have one, it probably has a cut, allowing a leak. Either way, Crosman should take care of it for you.

You can shoot your gun with powerlets while you await the repair of the adaptor.

B.B.

 
At July 07, 2007 12:58 PM, Blogger Esteves said...

How closeley does the Crosman 1077 follow the Ruger 1022? More specifically, can 1022 stocks be used with the 1077?

 
At July 07, 2007 2:37 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Esteves,

No, it's not that close. More of a lookalike than an exact copy.

B.B.

 
At July 10, 2007 9:17 PM, Blogger Esteves said...

Thanks, B.B.,

Do you know of any pellet guns that do share the same receiver dimensions as the 1022? (or any other common firearm.) It seems like there might be a market for such a gun and the ability to tweak it with aftermarket options.

 
At July 11, 2007 5:59 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Esteves,

There are no airguns that share exact action dimentions with firearms, but what you are saying has been done for at least 30 years. High power rifle shooters (M1 Garand and M1A) have been bedding air rifle actions in firearm stocks to use as indoor trainers. They use bedding compound to make the fit, and they select air rifles that weigh close to the weight of their firearms.

B.B.

 
At July 16, 2007 11:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My 1077 arrived looking like a return, the box was damaged and the gun had a few dings on it. It can barely push a pellet out and jams 100% of the time with the high velocity pellets. The only way we can hit anything is watch where the pellets are going and adjust. The target has to be within ten feet or, the drop is too severe to make it worth while. The good news is that we get to reuse our shatter targets several times before they break. Obviously we have a damaged rifle. I was not able to get any response from pyramydair and am stuck with all the garbage they sold me. So, how can I get my rifle fixed?

Thanks,
Jeff

 
At July 16, 2007 11:53 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jeff,

When did you order your gun and when did it arrive?

Who did you speak to at Pyramyd Air?

Did you actually call them or just email?

I have forwarded your report to Pyramyd Air and I'm sure they will want to get ahold of you, so please provide your email address here or else call them directly today, if you can. They are at 888-262-4867.

B.B.

 
At July 16, 2007 2:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I purchased the rifle in June for my sons July birthday. I also ordered a bunch of other stuff. I made the mistake of ordering a couple of 12 ounce C02 tanks. I thought they were 12 gram tanks when I ordered them. It was completely my fault. Pyramyd air acted like they would take them back. We went through the entire process, I even called and got a return number. However, I couldn't find anyone locally who could ship a full C02 tank. Then I asked Pyramyd air for a shipping label and never heard from them again.

By the time my son tried his rifle, it was after the 30 day period. After my previous experience, I have no hope of any help from Pyramyd. I didn't suspect the Crosman would have any problems even though I could tell it was a return. I had a Crosman when I was a kid and put it through all kinds of hardships but, it kept working, no problem. If you have any ideas on how to fix my rifle or where I could take it to be fixed in Austin, Texas, that would be greatly appreciated.

The C02 doesn't leak, it just doesn't deliver the pressure to the ammo. We've been through an entire box of pellets and ten or twenty C02 cartridges. At best, we can get it to go about fifteen feet with a drop of about six inches.

 
At July 16, 2007 3:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just checked my emails and I was wrong on my order date. I place my order on May 9th. I got what I ordered (plus a few substitutions for what they didn't have in stock) on May 26th and sent my last email request about returning the C02 tanks on June 14th. I don't have access to phone records.

Anyway, I just want to try and get the rifle fixed.

Thanks,
Jeff

 
At July 16, 2007 3:15 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jeff,

I am not you you need to speak to.

Thank you for the clarification. But you really need to be speaking to Pyramyd Air. I have no idea why they did not continue with your earlier return, but that isn't their policy. Their internal tracking system should have a record of everything you did with them.

Please phone Pyramyd Air at 888-262-4867 and ask to speak to Ariel or Nicole. They have been made aware of your situation and are expecting to hear from you.

B.B.

 
At July 16, 2007 3:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish I hadn't mentioned the origin of the rifle. One last try and I'll go away.

Forgetting the origin of the Crosman 1077, how would I go about getting it fixed once the source of the rifle is out of the picture?


Thanks,
Jeff

 
At July 16, 2007 5:13 PM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jeff,

Something is definitely wrong with this rifle. The only airgun repair station in Austin does pneumatics, only

You can send it to Pyramyd Air, or you can try this guy:

Rick Willnecker Contact him at airgunshop@aol.com or call 717-382-1481.

Rick is the top Crosman repair station east of the Mississippi. If you want to go west, there is

Mac-1 http://www.mac1airgun.com 310-327-3581 He's in southern California.

B.B.

 
At July 23, 2007 10:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey its jeremy from the blog on the daisy 953 so i just learned about this gun and i think this might just be the one im ganna get because of the 12 clip and it last long time the only q i have is can it get a good group at 50 yards and what is it if you know... dont worrie about the other blog i think this will be it and my dad said the gamo nitro 17 is to big for me and to expensive even though im buyin the rifle i pick ya so thanks for all this help i would be lost without ya
and i have something to share with everyone i say the 12g rifle is better because if you do the math you can get more shots for the money they look nicer too
-jeremy

 
At October 01, 2007 4:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We finally got to test out the repaired gun. Odd that a "new" gun would need the seals replaced. Anyway, Rick Willnecker at Precision Pellet did a first rate job. He somehow managed to make the rifle look and work like new. In the mean time, our son has been shooting his great grandfather's .22. The 1077 is much more appropriate and fun for a six year old. We are happy with the 1077 but, very unhappy with the place we purchased it.

Thanks for connecting us with Rick!
Jeff

 
At October 02, 2007 9:50 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Jeff,

I'm glad you got the matter resolved.

B.B.

 
At December 18, 2007 6:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

B.B.

I got my 1077 two months ago, have put about 3-400 pellets through it, and am only able to get about 3" groups at 25 yds from a bench rest, stock sights. I'm good enough to get 1-2" groups at 50 yds with other guns, so I think it's the airgun, not me. I'm using Crosman Premier Wadcutters, and haven't found much difference with other pellets.

Do you think your bore cleaning procedure is appropriate for a CO2 gun like this? Any other ideas?

Thanks, I've learned more about airguns on this Blog than I EVER thought possible!

 
At December 19, 2007 3:43 AM, Blogger B.B. Pelletier said...

Something is definitely wrong with your gun. I suspect the barrel is loose. The barrel is held to the gun by two tabs - one on either side of the receiver. If the barrel is loose, it can move around and cause inaccuracy problems. Too bad you don't have an optical sight for your gun because that's one way to discover is you have a loose barrel. If the sight doesn't fix the problem, it's probably the barrel.

The other possibility is that the circular clip is not indexing properly and the pellets are getting clipped as they leave the gun. Try a different clip holder (the large box that holds the circular clip. If one works better than the other, that's what's causing the problem. You can buy replacements here at Pyramyd Air.

Since your gun is only two months old, Crosman will repair it for free, if what I told you doesn't work. Contact their customer service department.

www.crosman.com

B.B.

 
At December 29, 2007 12:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi B.B.,

I have tried to respond several times to your answer, but all my posts on this particular blog went into cyberspace. I'll try again:

I tightened up the loose barrel before I posted, so that's not it. I can't find anything wrong with the magazine.

HOWEVER, after cleaning the barrel, I had a good look with very bright light and magnification. I found a series of annular grooves cutting the rifleing! They almost look like chatter